Sitting successful the depths of Steve Bannon‘s chaotic War Room, Global News has an important question for the right-wing media mogul: How earnestly should we beryllium taking the president’s insistence that Canada should go the 51st state?
Very, apparently.
Bannon, a erstwhile apical adjutant to U.S. President Donald Trump, says helium knows precisely what’s going on. Dramatically shaking his rumpled grey hair, helium tells maine that we, Canadians, are “misreading the situation” earlier crossing his arms and launching into a spiel that helium seems to person been waiting his full beingness for — drafting from his acquisition serving successful the navy, successful the Pentagon and his master’s grade successful nationalist information studies.
He is unequivocal successful his content that Trump’s involvement successful Canada is strategical and geopolitical and that we’re missing the constituent by being fixated connected tariffs and trolling.
“The satellite is present coming to Canada, and it’s coming successful a large way,” Bannon says with a prophet’s conviction.
“You were isolated before. You’re not isolated now.”
That’s because, Bannon says, the Arctic is going to beryllium the “new crippled of the 21st century” and a subject weakness that helium calls Canada’s “soft underbelly.”
Melting polar crystal caps are making the acold northbound much accessible to countries similar Russia and China, meaning Canada has to bash much to support its susceptible bluish frontier — and, successful turn, support the U.S. And if Canada refuses, Bannon says, Trump volition unit america to. By annexing Greenland, retaking the Panama Canal and securing Canada’s bluish border, Trump is seemingly trying to found a north-south economical and subject corridor.
It’s each astir “hemispheric control,” Bannon says.
Since asking Trump himself offers varying results, Global News sought retired those with penetration into however helium thinks.
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Trudeau responds to Trump’s 51st authorities remark, calls it a ‘distraction’
Even aft Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was offered a reprieve from a looming commercialized war, Trump continued to suggest Canada should conscionable springiness up its sovereignty anyway. It’s intelligibly inactive connected his mind.
So, each those jibes astir “Governor Trudeau” and Canada arsenic the “51st state”? Global News asks.
He’s not trolling, Bannon counters. He’s “really thought this through.”
“Let maine beryllium brutally frank. Geo-strategically, you don’t truly person an enactment [but to articulation us] if you privation your sovereignty due to the fact that from the north, from the Arctic, it’s going to get encroached successful a large powerfulness contention that you don’t person the quality to win.”
Bannon does not talk connected behalf of the U.S. president. In fact, the 2 person a tangled history. Trump fired him from his relation arsenic White House main strategist successful 2018, aft which Bannon went connected to reinvent himself arsenic the big of his War Room podcast and arsenic 1 of the apical evangelists of the MAGA movement.
But this populist and nationalist MAGA schoolhouse of thought is intimately aligned with Trump’s reasoning — and it considers Trump its leader. The White House’s caller torrent of enforcement orders — cutting down connected national bureaucracy, waging a warfare connected migration and promoting economical nationalism — bespeak Bannon’s guiding principles.
When we sojourn the War Room, a caller intern (the granddaughter of his adjunct of 40 years) has arrived to regenerate six producers who, helium says, are each going to enactment for the caller Trump administration.
As Bannon continues laying retired Trump’s expansive plan, helium doesn’t effort to conceal his pridefulness that his underlings are going to enactment for his erstwhile boss.
“This is simply a large geostrategic occupation … Look astatine your bluish border. You’re totally, wholly exposed … it utilized to beryllium your top defence. Now it’s your biggest vulnerability,” Bannon says.
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Canada itself has agelong recognized the problem: Leaders person called beefing up information successful the Arctic arsenic the “most urgent and important task” facing the Canadian Forces amid a changing geopolitical and carnal landscape, acknowledgment to clime change. Alberta Premier Danielle Smith, too, has called for a associated Canada-U.S. NORAD basal successful Northern Canada to bolster Arctic security.
Both Trump detractors and disciples tin spot the rationale down Trump’s expected continental aspirations.
“It’s not a joke,” says Elliott Abrams, the longtime State Department authoritative and Trump, Bush and Reagan medication veteran.
“Security experts present are talking a batch much astir the Arctic than they were 10 years ago. That is the benignant of happening that tin beryllium resolved by saying, ‘We person communal interests, we’re going to enactment unneurotic intimately … determination is an flight hatch from this.’”
'Canada is getting it each wrong'
Bannon’s War Room occupies the archetypal level of a stately reddish ceramic semi-detached adjacent Capitol Hill successful cardinal Washington D.C., successful the shadiness of the Supreme Court of the United States. It seems an ironic determination for Bannon’s bid post, surrounded by the precise institutions his anti-establishment, populist and nationalist question rails against.
Even Trump is considered “a moderate” fig successful the question these days, Bannon says, compared to right-wing compatriots similar himself, a convicted felon presently awaiting proceedings connected charges that he duped donors who person money to physique a partition on the confederate U.S. border. He has pleaded not blameworthy to the charges.
“We’re the furthest close earlier you permission into the fever swamps,” helium says.
Bannon besides oversaw the Breitbart News website — a dependable for the alt-right question ranging from achromatic supremacists, neo-Nazis and anti-Semites — earlier joining the 2016 Trump campaign. He’s been vocal of his frustrations and distrust of the “mainstream media.”
“We conscionable had a sweeping triumph and cipher tin specify populism present … the media looks astatine america arsenic exotic animals successful a zoo.”
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There’s nary uncertainty he’s an influential figure, but his enduring power connected the U.S. president is unclear. When asked however often helium speaks to his erstwhile boss, helium says, “Don’t you interest astir that,” earlier conceding helium has interviewed Trump lone erstwhile successful 5 years. When asked wherefore truthful seldom, helium says: “I don’t request to interrogation him.”
They bash seemingly stock a playbook, however. Trump’s unrelenting travel of enforcement orders and initiatives successful the aboriginal days of his medication was famously described by Bannon successful 2018 arsenic “Flood[ing] the portion with sh*t.” They’re some guided by the aforesaid populist, nationalist beliefs.
And he’s anxious to stock his insight. First, connected tariffs and wherefore “Canada is getting it each wrong.”
“This isn’t a punitive tariff connected a valve coming from Canada to Detroit. This is thing precise different,” Bannon says from down a array with a podcast mic angled towards him, his little fractional obscured down a stack of insubstantial and books.
A life-sized photograph of Bannon, surveying the skyline with a steely gaze, leans against a immense War Room flag, facing the abstraction astatine a cluttered array wherever Bannon himself sits, wearing his real-life steely gaze. Behind him, placards of his quotes — “There are nary conspiracies, but determination are nary coincidences” — and spiritual paraphernalia jostle for space.
“[Trump’s] saying, ‘Hey, America is the champion marketplace successful the world, it’s a aureate door. If you privation to travel successful here, either vessel your concern present to manufacture, oregon you’re going to wage a large full tax. But if you’re wrong the aureate door, there’s nary tariff.’”
But, from Bannon’s perspective, it remains unclear whether those tariffs are a instrumentality of economical unit being exerted implicit Canada to crook to Trump’s Arctic empire-building workout oregon if it’s a mode for Canada to bargain into the extortion the U.S. volition connection from encroachments.
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That is astatine its core, helium says, down respective of Trump’s existent obsessions. Having power implicit the Panama Canal means shipping routes are secured from the south. Building an “Iron Dome” — the U.S.-funded aerial defence strategy successful Israel, which borrows, successful part, from the Reagan administration’s ill-fated “Star Wars” inaugural — secures the skies.
Annexing Greenland means a U.S. submarine basal tin beryllium built to artifact the Russian navy from its bases successful Murmansk and Arkhangelsk. Then, the Northwest Passage — a web of waterways that connects the Atlantic and Pacific oceans done the Canadian Arctic Archipelago — “changes the economics of commercialized with Asia, with Japan and East Asia and with that portion of Russia,” Bannon says.
Renegotiating the CUSMA could marque Mexico, the United States and Canada “one ace economical entity.”
“And successful that regard, that’s a crippled changer for Canada. President Trump gets a concern with Greenland, secures the Panama Canal, and makes definite that they’re robust democracies similar Bolsonaro successful Brazil and Milei successful Argentina. Then we’ve astir completed hemispheric defence.”
And, experts say, helium has a point.
'It's not each fume and mirrors'
Abrams is not successful Trump’s interior circle. But helium has held elder positions successful 3 Republican administrations — Reagan, Bush and Trump. It was a arguable run; Abrams was reportedly up for Trump’s lawman caput of authorities relation but was denied for criticizing him. He was besides convicted for lying to Congress implicit the Iran-Contra matter successful the precocious 1980s.
These days, Abrams tin beryllium recovered astatine the Washington-based think-tank and heavy constitution group, the Council connected Foreign Relations, wherever helium speaks to Global News.
Abrams is skeptical that Trump has a well-considered expansive plan, the mode Bannon believes. But helium tin spot wherefore the Arctic would beryllium a large precedence for the U.S. president.
“We are not going to beryllium invaded by Russia. You mightiness be,” helium said, referring to Canada. “So however is it imaginable that you walk a smaller magnitude successful the region?”
Canada’s national authorities announced precocious past year that it was committing $34.7 cardinal up beforehand and $7 cardinal ongoing implicit a full of 5 years to a caller Arctic policy. That pales successful examination to Denmark’s caller pledge of $2B and a 2016 pledge from the U.S. for $5.2B.
Abrams questions wherefore nary 1 has been tapped to oversee Trump’s Iran policy, which whitethorn awesome shifting priorities. He doesn’t cognize wherever each this is going but cautions Canada from disregarding Trump’s threats — tariffs oregon a play for its sovereignty — retired of hand.
“I would not instrumentality the presumption that it’s nothing, that it’s each fume and mirrors … due to the fact that that result would beryllium a decision for him.
“Trump’s got to person something.”
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And arsenic is often the lawsuit with Trump, his demands are shorthand for thing else.
The U.S. president’s societal media posts springiness a glimpse into his database of wants beyond what he’s saying retired loud. On Sunday, helium said billions were being spent to “subsidize Canada” and that “Canada should go our cherished 51st state.” That subsidy appears to beryllium referencing the reported commercialized shortage of astir $60 cardinal (not $250B arsenic Trump repeatedly asserts).
A time later, helium led a tweet astir speaking with Trudeau, with incredulity, that “Canada doesn’t adjacent let U.S. banks to unfastened oregon bash concern there,” earlier referencing fentanyl again.
Canadian officials person repeatedly said less than 1 per cent of fentanyl entering the U.S. comes from Canada.
But this scattershot attack is thing but improvised, says a erstwhile influential fig connected overseas argumentation successful the archetypal Trump administration, who asked not to beryllium named arsenic helium is advising this administration. Because, helium says, Trump’s caller overseas argumentation is incredibly good thought-out.
'There's been important readying by his people'
Trump’s 2016 overseas argumentation squad was “inexperienced and precise ill-prepared connected overseas policy,” the influential authoritative says. He’d focused connected North Korea and Iran and “made a batch of mistakes.”
“This overseas argumentation is very, precise different. It’s overmuch broader and much sophisticated. There’s been important readying by his radical and galore deliberation tanks, including ours,” the authoritative said. But helium does judge Canada has been “caught successful the crosshairs” of Trump’s fixation connected the confederate border.
The authoritative went connected to notation Bannon’s blitzkrieg strategy.
“[All his planning] has enabled him to laic retired a batch of initiatives each astatine once, similar flooding the portion with ideas due to the fact that there’s been truthful overmuch mentation and truthful overmuch proceedings by mistake from the archetypal administration.”
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But if hemispheric defence is Trump’s expansive aspiration, helium is keeping those cards adjacent to his chest. The authoritative said helium hadn’t “written immoderate argumentation papers oregon talked to immoderate Trump radical astir that.”
But, helium admitted, Trump’s 51st authorities comments had “caught a batch of america off-guard.”
“But I don’t deliberation either state wants this to spell precise far. I deliberation that Trump mightiness determination connected to different issues … and arsenic helium racks up immoderate archetypal wins, adjacent tiny ones, he’s going to usage that arsenic momentum to woody with bigger problems similar the Middle East and the Ukraine warfare and dealing with China.”
But the commercialized disagreements are a large sticking constituent for Trump. Canada’s closed markets, specified arsenic proviso management, are a long-held Trump irritant. The behemoth southbound of the borderline wants entree to Canadian markets for each kinds of goods and services, namely telecoms and banking.
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“The U.S. has immoderate genuine grievances with Canada. And portion the borderline and fentanyl whitethorn beryllium 1 of the issues …I’m not definite if those are the cardinal issues,” says Christopher Hernandez-Roy, lawman manager of the Americas Program astatine the Center for Strategic and International Studies successful Washington, D.C.
That extends to proviso management, the integer services tax, the softwood lumber quality and the bipartisan defence issue, among others.
“The Biden medication benignant of tried to nudge Canada diplomatically, and the Trump medication is going to daze Canada into spending much connected defence. It’s a question of making definite the Arctic is secure, making definite that NORAD modernization is connected clip and connected budget. I’m definite they’re having conversations acold beyond conscionable fentanyl and migration crossed the border,” says Hernandez-Roy.
As for the tariffs, Hernandez-Roy says the determination “makes nary sense” due to the fact that Canada is simply a bountiful root of captious minerals — captious for making semiconductors and successful a scope of defence applications, a marketplace China had antecedently monopolized.
“It’s a self-defeating workout if what you’re trying to bash is marque a fortress North America against China and Russia due to the fact that Canada’s system is intimately linked with that of the United States. And if you devastate that economy, which is export-dependent, Canada is going to person to look for different markets.
“And the lone 1 that volition triumph determination is going to beryllium China.”
But to the question of whether this punishment would propulsion Canada toward China, Bannon has nary coherent answer. It isn’t wide if that means they aren’t disquieted oregon haven’t thought astir it.
He says Canada has “already been infiltrated by the CCP [Chinese Communist Party]” and that portion “Canadians are well-meaning and bully and decent people, you person a hard clip facing the hard issues.”
But, helium wants to beryllium clear: Trump thinks precise favourably towards Canadians. He says it arsenic if this mightiness dull the stroke of Canada’s existent predicament.
“[Canada] is thing we’ve talked astir for years, astatine our archetypal meeting. He holds Canada successful precise precocious esteem,” Bannon says.
“He’s ever had a troubled narration with Trudeau because, fto maine beryllium blunt, you tin punctuation me, he’s a punk. Yeah, he’s conscionable a punk, and he’s overmuch excessively adjacent to the CCP.”
But helium says the occidental provinces of Canada, and Danielle Smith, astir notably, “really get it.” He says helium met with galore representatives from “Canada’s West,” and they were “all implicit antithetic dinners I went to.”
He adjacent had immoderate astir to the War Room, helium says, but helium won’t divulge who. But helium does accidental they’re funny successful partnering with the U.S. — even if the remainder of the state is not.
“Before, strategically, you didn’t request the United States. They were bully to beryllium an state of — present you request us. It’s the lone mode to halt the large powerfulness competition, which you’re going to lose. Tell maine however that’s going to play erstwhile Russia and China commencement making carnal incursions into bluish Canada … however are you guys going to respond? Are you going to suffer bluish Canada?
“Well, if you’re partners and/or portion of the United States, you don’t person to interest astir that due to the fact that we’re not going to fto that happen.”